DD: It's just so hard for people to talk about money, obviously, artists especially.
PM: And I think that even I was looking at photo friends of mine who were considered to be, and still are, very arty and make these beautiful photo books. They would shoot for big fashion brands and just never say it.
DD: So from the outside, it’s like, “How are they doing it?” But there is actually a way that they are doing it.
PM: Yeah, I'm glad. I don't see why it should be a shame. I don't see why it would have to be opposed to what you do in your fine art world. Brands come to you for that, but they would never post about it. There was still this kind of irony and the fact that no one was openly talking about money that I grew tired of.
DD: So the whole time you were doing Rocket Science was it just a side project? Did you also have a full-time job?
PM: I've been freelancing since I graduated, essentially. So, it was like having, not two full-time jobs, because Rocket Science was not a full-time job, but it was still on the side and I was working whenever I could on it which is, eventually, what led me to think about how I could incorporate it a bit more into my daily work hours and have that be more productive, both for Rocket Science and also for myself. People would ask me for recommendations constantly, asking me if I knew a photographer wherever, and when I would start to open up the conversation about budget, there was never a consulting fee. This plus the fact that I was working on Rocket Science and essentially doing press for people for free– it was either I make something else out of it or quit because it was too much in the end. There were no bad intentions coming from anywhere but when you get like, five DMs a day asking for recommendations, it's like, maybe I should do something else with my life! I think if I had been working full-time with a fixed salary I would have been much more relaxed.